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		<description><![CDATA[&#160; A dialogue continued with the curator and artists of A Body Presented to Me and You at Souterrain in Amsterdam. session two sunday, 27 + 28 october 2009 sunday, 25 october 2009 johanna.domke asks Philip Tonda: I was courious how it worked out for you after initiating the show with a theme relevant for [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=e1015.wordpress.com&amp;blog=9858403&amp;post=69&amp;subd=e1015&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="color:#000000;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">A dialogue continued with the curator and artists of </span></span><a style="color:#551a8b;" href="http://e1015.wordpress.com/2009/10/24/a-body-presented-to-you-and-me/"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><span style="font-size:small;">A Body Presented to Me and You </span></span></span></a><span style="color:#000000;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">at Souterrain in Amsterdam.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="color:#000000;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">session two</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="color:#000000;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">sunday, 27 + 28 october 2009</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-size:medium;">sunday, 25 october 2009</span></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="background-color:#ff950e;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">johanna.domke</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> asks<span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-size:small;"> </span></span></span></span><span style="background-color:#0000ff;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-size:small;">Philip Tonda</span></span></span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-size:small;">: I was courious how it worked out for you after initiating the show with a theme relevant for you</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="background-color:#0000ff;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-size:medium;">Philip Tonda</span></span></span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-size:medium;">: I&#8217;d say that curating and making this show happen is very different than making work myself. I enjoy being the one that has the overview in the organizing process, and to get to know the work of the other artists. Seeing the exhibition in the end was real joy to me, and it felt very confirming; all the preparing and all the conversations took shape as art works and that was the conclusion in itself. It did not really need words anymore; it became one big body of it&#8217;s own, consisting of the individual bodies of the 5 individual works. </span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
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<div style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><span style="font-size:x-small;"><span style="font-size:medium;">i was still busy with my own work during the process, but the curating took most of my attention so i didn&#8217;t make finished works. After the exhibition opening i managed to work on my own art works though, and that was nice to do at this point. </span></span></div>
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<div style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><span style="font-size:x-small;"><span style="font-size:medium;">I don&#8217;t think my own art work has changed after curating the show -i am still busy with some of the same projects as before, one of them is an interactive sculptural video installation, and another project is a research between the outer appearance of a person in relation to the self perception of the person. I&#8217;m still busy with those projects and they won&#8217;t be ready in the near future. </span></span></div>
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<div style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;"><span style="font-size:x-small;"><span style="font-size:medium;">I see the works of the exhibition that I curated as separate from my own work in the sense that I really enjoy it in a somewhat similar way as when going to an art exhibition that touches me. It does not influence my work directly &#8211; i respect it and accept it for what it is, and appreciate the individual work and the individual artist; knowing that my work is having its own individual personality as well. </span></span></div>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">[</span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">10/27/09</span></span> <span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">, 12:12 PM] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">amber lauletta </span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">says to </span></span><span style="background-color:#ffff00;font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">Silvan Laan</span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">: </span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">I&#8217;d like to talk about the warble. How did you choose this bird?</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">[10/28/09 </span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">12:49pm] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ffff00;font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">Silvan Laan</span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;"> says: he bird in question is a willow warbler. This particular bird has a special significance for me; it is one of the commonest birds in the landscape of my youth (the dunes of the Dutch coast) and its song is the herald of summer, it symbolizes for me the love for life and procreation and the freedom to roam.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">[2009/10/27 12:37 PM ] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">amber lauletta </span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">says: </span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">In the publication you mention georges perec, can you talk more about that?</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">[2009/10/28 </span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">12:15pm</span></span> <span style="background-color:#99ccff;font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">Saskia de Brauw </span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">says</span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">:</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">There is one simple reason I mention Perec, he is my hero, my example. One of his books Species of Space and other pieces is like a bible to me.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">Perec represents for me a combination of the conceptual and the emotional.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">The idea and intuition. He describes in a very precise and detailed manner of what a space is composed of and by doing so he maps out a situation in which an event will take, has taken or is taking place.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">For example, in a nearly dry and analytical way he makes endless lists of the objects in a room. These objects are always positioned in relation to human beings, to bodies.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">By mapping out the room the reader starts to understand more about the people's habits, fears, longings, emotions. I can read in Perec's descriptions of space, how it is used by people.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">He slows down time as to a point where we can really start looking at what there is in front of our eyes. </span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">The most simple and daily things and realities surrounding us become curious objects of interest and research.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">“</span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">Space seems to be either tamer or more offensive than time; we’re forever meeting people who have  watches, very seldom we meet people who have compasses. We always need to know what time it is (who still knows how to deduce it from the position of the sun?) but we never ask ourselves where we are. We think we know; we are at home, at our office, in the Métro, in the street. That of course is obvious - but then what isn’t obvious? Now and again, however, we ought to ask ourselves where exactly we are, to take our bearings, not only concerning our state of mind, our everyday health, our ambitions, our beliefs and our </span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">‘</span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><em><span style="font-size:small;">raisons d’être’</span></em></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">, but simply our topographical position, our position in relation to a place or a person we are thinking about, or that we shall thus start thinking about.”</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">I love the simplicity of the idea and the complexity of its outcome. The smallest thing could be an endless source of research and more questions. I like questions not especially answers.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">In my work for Souterrain I started by simply looking at a large shadow on a wall that is see when I look out of one of the windows of my house. This shadow that changes during the day is a clock, or in Perec's terms, tells me something about my topographical position towards other people and places. I filmed this shadow during one full day. In the installation I have replaced the objects that are in my house by glass plates. I used words on the glass plates to describe these objects or thoughts that appear when I am in my house. Projecting through the glass plates - shadow words appear on top of the image of the shadow that I see from the window in my house.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">It is about moving in a space and being a container of thoughts - visualizing the space surrounding us and the space inside of us and how they effect one another.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">This is what I can write now, My had is a little full with other things.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">If you have more questions or if what I write here doesn't make enough sense please let me know.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">[</span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">10/27/09</span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;"> , 12:12 PM] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">amber lauletta </span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">says to </span></span><span style="background-color:#ffff00;font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">Silvan Laan</span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">: </span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">You use science as a barometer to define art, indicating art explores the chaos of nature where science qualifies the rational aspects. (I&#8217;m paraphrasing) how does this piece explore that idea?</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">[10/28/09 12:49pm] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ffff00;font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">Silvan Laan</span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;"> says: I think scientists and artists share a fundamental wonder and curiosity about the world, appreciating the aesthetics of the natural &#8216;system&#8217;. Each tries to acqui</span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">re an understanding, but their methods of investigation and the kind of knowledge they produce differ substantially. I think the artist can utilize an analytic, </span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">&#8216;scientific&#8217; approach, but his main compass is of a more intuitive nature. Maybe the opposite is true for the scientist.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">[2009/10/28 2:04pm] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;"> </span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">to </span></span><span style="background-color:#99ccff;font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">Saskia de Brauw </span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">: I&#8217;m curious what questions you would have for someone viewing your work or reading that passage?</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">[2009/10/28 3:28pm] </span></span><span style="background-color:#99ccff;font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">Saskia de Brauw </span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">says</span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">: </span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">Possible questions I could have ( this is a limited list and should be seen as one possible answer to your question):</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">Do you know how the objects in your house are positioned?</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">Are you aware of how you move through your house?</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">Is there a rhythm to this movement?</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">Is it connected to a certain hour in the day?</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">Do I communicate by visualizing ideas?</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">Did this project leave a mark on me?</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">Questions with a clear answer:</span></strong></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">Where do you live?</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">When does a house become home?</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">What are the objects connected to your surrounding space?</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">Why do I use glass for this installation?</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">What sensation do you have when you watch your own shadow reflected on the wall?</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">How can I lead the audience into experiencing what I want to communicate?</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><strong><span style="font-size:small;">Questions with no clear answer:</span></strong></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">When does a house become home?</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">What are the objects connected to your surrounding space?</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">Why do I use glass for this installation?</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">How do I move in between thoughts?</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">How do thoughts move me?</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">What am I expressing exactly?</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">What sensation do you have when you watch your own shadow reflected on the wall?</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">Did this project leave a mark on me?</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">How do I communicate?</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">Do I communicate by visualizing ideas?</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">How can I lead the audience into experiencing what I want to communicate?</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">Is our body experiencing time or space?</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">hmmm, I don&#8217; t know if this is the list I should make, but this is what came out now.</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">I want to send it as quick as possible.</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">Like I said, there are so many things today, my head is a bucket of water and is really full and heavy.</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">So I just send it away. Words like quick sketches.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">[10/27/09 , 12:12 PM] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">amber lauletta </span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">says to </span></span><span style="background-color:#ffff00;font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">Silvan Laan</span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">: </span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">How does your piece respond to &#8220;a body&#8221;?</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">[10/28/09 12:49pm]</span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;"> </span></span><span style="background-color:#ffff00;font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">Silvan Laan</span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;"> says: In preparation for this piece, I have been reading scientific literature dealing with all aspects of the life of the willow warbler. I was amazed to learn that male willow warblers (almost) never sing exactly the same song phrase. While individual song phrases are highly variable, they share the same overall structure, and are easily recognized as willow warbler song by the trained observer. In analysis of 108 songs of 15 males (1620 songs), only one male sang the same phrase twice. For this research, sonograms (sound recordings digitally processed into graphs) were used.</span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;"><br />
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</span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">A particular song phrase, lasting on average c. 3 seconds, may, once uttered, never reappear in exactly the same form, ever. This fact illustrates for me perfectly the stunning variability, creativity, if you will, that is present in nature. To express my sense of amazement, I chose one particular song phrase out of the many billions that have been uttered in the sexual history of the willow warbler, and &#8216;immortalized&#8217; it by transferring its sonogram onto a wall.</span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;"><br />
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</span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">The wall painting is accompanied by a replica of a willow warbler nest, enlarged to human proportions. The nest shares the transient nature of the song; it is built by the female in a little over a week, and has a functional lifespan of 4 to 5 weeks (until the chicks have fledged). After this, the nest is abandoned and scattered by wind and rain. My piece in this exhibition has a similarly transient nature; the work will exist physically for two months, the duration of the show. Afterward, only photographic evidence remains.</span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;"><br />
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</span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">The connection to the &#8216;body&#8217; is rather loose, but can be seen in the fact that our own bodies are also of a transient nature, which is the cause of the eternal human concern for mortality, aging etc.</span></span></p>
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		<category><![CDATA[Augusta Atla]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Johanna Domke]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Luciano Pinna]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Philip Tonda]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[A continuing dialogue with the curator and artists of A Body Presented to Me and You at Souterrain in Amsterdam. session one sunday, 25 october 2009 amber lauletta to Philip Tonda: why did you invite other artists to explore your concept of body instead of just doing it yourself? why curate this idea? [19:47:27] Philip [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=e1015.wordpress.com&amp;blog=9858403&amp;post=55&amp;subd=e1015&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:small;">A continuing dialogue with the curator and artists of <a href="//e1015.wordpress.com/2009/10/24/a-body-presented-to-you-and-me/">A Body Presented to Me and You</a> at Souterrain in Amsterdam.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">session one</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">sunday, 25 october 2009</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> to </span></span><span style="background-color:#0000ff;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Philip Tonda</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">: why did you invite other artists to explore your concept of body instead of just doing it yourself? why curate this idea?</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[19:47:27] </span></span><span style="background-color:#0000ff;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Philip Tonda</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: Because I was curious to see how other artists deal with this subject. In the beginning i thought there might be very different approaches than my own in the end the approach was not so very different &#8211; in the sense that i felt that i understood each artist and each work though</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[19:48:19] </span></span><span style="background-color:#0000ff;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Philip Tonda</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: of course each work is individual and has it&#8217;s unique character. But you know; in the start i hoped to have artists dealing with for example cyber space &#8211; something that is somewhat far away from myself to deal with. But in the end i did not find an artist that i could cooperate with who dealt with that in a way that i found interesting. and also i was interested in the political body, but did not find an artist who dealt with that</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[19:50:10] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: it&#8217;s sort of interesting that we end with a cyber interview, then.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[19:50:23] </span></span><span style="background-color:#0000ff;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Philip Tonda</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: yes indeed, but in the end i really like that the exhibition has something intimate about it &#8211; </span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">the works i mean. and i guess it makes sense that i chose these artists, very much because of the mix between being actively reflecting, and yet giving much and main attention to the visual work in the end</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[19:53:10] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: Yes, what is interesting from the photos is that the title tells us this is a body presented but it seems like the experience of the works is that the viewers body is presented to themselves.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[19:54:06] </span></span><span style="background-color:#0000ff;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Philip Tonda</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: I think you somehow get aware of the space as a whole, and of the interaction between the works, and yes for sure also about your own presence there. Which was something i very much wished for from the start, i even wrote that in the first concept to the exhibition space, but eventually it cam all natural from the artists themselves.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-61" title="Augusta Atla" src="http://e1015.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/augusta1.jpg?w=490" alt="Augusta Atla"   /></p>
<p style="margin:0;">Augusta Atla</p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[19:55:56] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: I notice the correlation between your two works, Augusta and Luciano &#8211; SUBTRACTION.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[19:56:22] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ffcc99;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Augusta Atla</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: what do you mean by subtraction – absence?</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[19:56:31] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: yes. The title of the exposition, A Body Presented to You and Me, </span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">indicates that something will be given</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[19:57:02] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ffcc99;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Augusta Atla</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: Yes, somehow I have been working with the absence of the body &#8211; as a longing for a viewer to look at the work and a longing for the viewer to long for a presence of the artist. The exhibition space can be understood as a vacuum space for two beings that wish to meet through the work, but never does &#8211; as the work is the mediator.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[7:53:26 PM] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">: </span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">it seems like the experience of the works is that the viewers body is </span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">presented to themselves.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-58" title="Luciano Pinna" src="http://e1015.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/luciano.jpg?w=490" alt="Luciano Pinna"   /></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[19:58:47] </span></span><span style="background-color:#00ff00;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Luciano Pinna</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: For me this summarizes quite nicely part of what I wanted to achieve with my work.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[19:59:02] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ffcc99;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Augusta Atla</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: not solely &#8211; because the work is always made by an artist, so it is more tricky than that</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:00:08] </span></span><span style="background-color:#00ff00;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Luciano Pinna</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: but not only to themselves, but to actually discover the full extend of the work, 2 bodies need to be present, in which they act as viewer and participator of the work and vice versa.</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:00:31] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: just to address Augusta, is this a hope that you need to feel you have accomplished? or is it just a working concept? I mean do you ever fully know that this is how someone experiences this piece?</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:01:51] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ffcc99;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Augusta Atla</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: no, I can never know anything, it is just an interest of mine to use absence in the work as much as presence&#8230;. the space between the line is as important as the work&#8230;</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:02:25] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: the space between the line, I like this</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:03:02] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ffcc99;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Augusta Atla</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: actually, as I see it, the work is not so important, what is more important is what is NOT there</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:03:21] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: right. the absence.</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:03:30] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ffcc99;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Augusta Atla</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: And that I can never know, but try to elaborate through experiments</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:03:58] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: yes and if I understand you give up some elements of your work for others to decide, </span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">like in the case of the printer choosing what order to print?</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:04:37] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ffcc99;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Augusta Atla</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: I always feel that if I feel I know what a artwork &#8216;wants&#8217; to make me feel like as a viewer, then I feel not treated with enough ave and mysticism and wonder</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:05:54] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: so if I could just use this point to illustrate luciano&#8217;s work &#8211; </span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">in that he contrives an interaction.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:06:25] </span></span><span style="background-color:#00ff00;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Luciano Pinna</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: yes, actively</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:06:56] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: but how does your work exist outside that interaction? as it in when it lies dormant?</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:07:07] </span></span><span style="background-color:#00ff00;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Luciano Pinna</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: interesting question. For me that is the essence of my search: when does a work start to exist, and which parties contribute to it?</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:08:50] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: so you create this action.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:09:50] </span></span><span style="background-color:#00ff00;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Luciano Pinna</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: yes, but I don&#8217;t want it to be forced on the visitor</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:10:17] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: I feel the accidental element makes that intention clear.</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:10:32] </span></span><span style="background-color:#00ff00;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Luciano Pinna</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: I like the duality of it, that a passer-by can be a viewer or participator, and that it is not always clear which is which. My ambition is to create a playground of the real, in which it is completely transient who is doing what, and where the artwork ends and the exhibition space continues</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:12:33] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: you and Augusta also both reference &#8216;line&#8217; you&#8217;re reference is the </span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">phrase that is captured on the person, &#8220;truth lies beyond this line.&#8221;</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:13:07] </span></span><span style="background-color:#00ff00;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Luciano Pinna</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: beyond this space</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:13:35] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: and where does truth enter into this experience?</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:13:49] </span></span><span style="background-color:#00ff00;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Luciano Pinna</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: good question. One that might be only answered by experiencing the work, or work in general. It is also a nod to the statement of nauman: “The true artist helps the world by revealing mystic truths</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:16:10] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ffcc99;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Augusta Atla</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: hm&#8230; I am not saying that &#8216;truth&#8217; lies beyond this space&#8230; </span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">and certainly I disagree with Luciano here, very much</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:16:43] </span></span><span style="background-color:#0000ff;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Philip Tonda</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: truth is a peculiar word indeed&#8230; i guess it is to be found individually .. ?</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:16:47] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ffcc99;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Augusta Atla</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: I, as an artist, have no superior knowledge -</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:16:58] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: yes, you were just talking about keeping that mysticism sacred.</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:17:32] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ffcc99;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Augusta Atla</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: it sounds like a old fashion christian way of understanding the artist &#8211; as a mediator for God &#8211; oh no!</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:17:58] </span></span><span style="background-color:#0000ff;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Philip Tonda</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: but what does &#8220;beyond this space&#8221; mean for you Luciano?</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:18:10] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: Yes, but even in that it creates a sort of, or references, a sort of mysticism.</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:18:12] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ffcc99;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Augusta Atla</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: I did NOT mean Mysticism!!! I mean mysteriousness &#8211; there is a whole lot of difference</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:18:37] </span></span><span style="background-color:#00ff00;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Luciano Pinna</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: I must admit it is a bit hard to keep track of the discussion&#8230;.</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:19:04] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ffcc99;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Augusta Atla</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: Mysticism derives from Christianity and other religions, and I do not agree with Rothko, nor Mondrian, in their strange okkult favour for art</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:19:34] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: Augusta &#8211; I was talking about Luciano&#8217;s specific sentence “truth lies beyond this line&#8221; I was not implying this to your work. just to say that you referenced this idea of &#8220;line&#8221; in your dialogue earlier.</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:19:43] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ffcc99;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Augusta Atla</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: is it a very difficult talk to have as a chat &#8211; even PHDs are difficult to tackle this subject, so dont worry. I know, I was just implying that I dont agree with Luciano talking about mysticism&#8230; but sorry for the confusion</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:20:45] </span></span><span style="background-color:#00ff00;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Luciano Pinna </span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">says: the sentence is : truth lies beyond this space</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:20:55] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ffcc99;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Augusta Atla</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: thank you</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:20:57] </span></span><span style="background-color:#00ff00;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Luciano Pinna</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: sorry to be picky about this</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:21:14] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ffcc99;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Augusta Atla</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: that is what I do not agree to</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:21:25] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: no it&#8217;s great to have the true sentence.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:24:03] </span></span><span style="background-color:#0000ff;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Philip Tonda</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: truth lies beyond this space</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:26:12] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> to </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff950e;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">johanna.domke</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> so your work seems to be a psychological investigation. As well as addressing bodies in these very specific situation.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:26:50] </span></span><span style="background-color:#00ff00;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Luciano Pinna</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: In some way an artist is seeking for some truth, whether that is only for himself, his surroundings or in the work itself</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:27:16] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: I&#8217;m just curious if, for you, that the investigation ends there? what is your hope for the experience of the person watching your films?</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:27:18] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff950e;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">johanna.domke</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: more about the individual being exposed to structures</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:27:19] </span></span><span style="background-color:#00ff00;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Luciano Pinna</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: and that is part of what I try to investigate &#8211; </span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">that there is some truth in an artwork, if at all or not. that is why the sentence: truth lies beyond this space can be interpreted in several ways</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:28:28] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff950e;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">johanna.domke</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: the work itself is quite much a process, as the people taking part are shaping it as well</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:28:49] </span></span><span style="background-color:#00ff00;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Luciano Pinna</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: truth is outside art or this artwork in particular. Or that it is only inside art or this artwork in particular</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:29:05] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff950e;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">johanna.domke</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: i think the search of truth is an interesting question, in the sense of experience. I was just thinking it in relation to my work, as I am talking about a general experience &#8211; but I still think it is individual</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:32:41] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: what is individual?</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:32:55] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff950e;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">johanna.domke</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: and it is very hard to talk about a general truth</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:33:27] </span></span><span style="background-color:#00ff00;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Luciano Pinna</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: I agree</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:33:31] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: i do as well.</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:33:36] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff950e;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">johanna.domke</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: the experience of the public space that I am referring to</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:34:43] </span></span><span style="background-color:#00ff00;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Luciano Pinna</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: that is why the sentence is not just written on the wall of the expo, but projected onto a particular body, and only their really visible by another viewer</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:37:23] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: i feel truth of experience sort of takes a more rational approach to something organic.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:37:48] </span></span><span style="background-color:#0000ff;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Philip Tonda</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: luciano i am curious what you imagine as&#8221; beyond this space&#8221;.. Basically i interpretate it as </span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">you mean that truth is not something graspable, Am I right?</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:38:13] </span></span><span style="background-color:#00ff00;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Luciano Pinna</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: that is part of it, but for me it also refers to art in general, but more specific this work</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:38:55] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: i feel like &#8220;truth lies beyond this space&#8221; means beyond this experience &#8211; this gallery. </span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">truth lies in human experience.</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:39:24] </span></span><span style="background-color:#00ff00;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Luciano Pinna</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: that could be a point of view, but not necessary</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:39:30] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff950e;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">johanna.domke</span></span> <span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">says: but why are we actually looking for truth?</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:40:24] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: this was why i asked.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:40:29] </span></span><span style="background-color:#00ff00;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Luciano Pinna</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: it is the duality of it that I search for. Is it beyond this the gallery, or only to be found in the gallery</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:40:30] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: it seems a bit severe to me.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:41:22] </span></span><span style="background-color:#00ff00;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Luciano Pinna</span></span> <span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">says: Again I would paraphrase Bruce Nauman</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:41:26] </span></span><span style="background-color:#0000ff;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Philip Tonda</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: I still hardly understand the word. I think there are many truths. And every art work has it&#8217;s own truth.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:41:47] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: i am also coming from that perspective.</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:42:22] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: what&#8217;s interesting about your films, however, is that even though these people are having their own experience, they are sort of forced to react the same ways.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:42:28] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff950e;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">johanna.domke</span></span> <span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">says: I think looking for truth is a very moral approach, that actually does not fit with an artistic view on things that goes beyond dualities</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:42:52] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: i think truth is a constant for the artist, even if it takes different shapes, not to find truth, but use it as a compass.</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:43:16] </span></span><span style="background-color:#00ff00;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Luciano Pinna </span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">says: For me this is a yes and now, what I mean there are of course many truths and it depends on your perspective, but what this work tries to question is whether there is any truth in art at all</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:44:05] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: and what did you find at the end of this experience?</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:44:40] </span></span><span style="background-color:#0000ff;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Philip Tonda</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: As an artist you have to stay true to your own interests..</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:44:51] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff950e;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">johanna.domke</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: there is maybe a general truth that takes form in law and order, that I maybe as well describe in my films when people are forced by public structures to behave in certain ways</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:45:24] </span></span><span style="background-color:#0000ff;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Philip Tonda</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: maybe that&#8217;s a kind of general truth.. for me at least.. to be able to feel what i find interesting and deal with that</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:45:30] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: can you define public structures?</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:45:39] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff950e;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">johanna.domke</span></span> <span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">says: but it is of course a construction of truth on a moral base</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:45:43] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: do you mean constructs or physical structures? but truth can be personal.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:49:14] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff950e;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">johanna.domke</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: I am talking about structures in public that make you react certain ways &#8211; you are supposed to walk here, stop there sit there and wait, buy something so you don´t get bored and so on. It´s commercial, social, architectural and psychological structures that make you behave in public in certain ways. in sleepers for example it is cheap air fares that make people sleep at an airport, which is a very direct confrontation of the private with the public</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:50:30] </span></span><span style="background-color:#00ff00;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Luciano Pinna </span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">says: I see that the word truth causes quite a strong reaction</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:50:37] </span></span><span style="background-color:#0000ff;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Philip Tonda</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: yep!</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:50:44] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: i agree.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:50:51] </span></span><span style="background-color:#0000ff;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Philip Tonda</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: how do you feel about that at this moment? is it surprising you?</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:51:52] </span></span><span style="background-color:#00ff00;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Luciano Pinna</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: I find that very interesting. The odd thing is, my angle is not directly a moral one. I am far more interested in the dynamics of the work itself. Maybe i could illustrate this by another example. Somebody asked me once, What is the difference between an illusionist and an artist?</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:52:47] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: okay i see.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:55:20] </span></span><span style="background-color:#00ff00;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Luciano Pinna </span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">says: my fascination is primary the artwork itself. This doesn&#8217;t mean I am not aware of the world outside of it, or what implication there might be.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:55:59] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: why choose words? why not a symbol or image? what was behind this decision? I feel it changes the element of surprise of your piece.</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:56:44] </span></span><span style="background-color:#00ff00;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Luciano Pinna </span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">says: It started with a word, then I came up with an image.</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:57:17] </span></span><span style="background-color:#0000ff;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Philip Tonda</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: I see it as if you are questioning art as having agency or not? to a certain level you really need to believe in the art in order to make it happen. And you think you believe in it, but also questions that at the same time..?</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:57:26] </span></span><span style="background-color:#00ff00;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Luciano Pinna</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: The sentence was the outcome of a process to define the word. Yes.</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:57:48] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: what was this word?</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:57:49] </span></span><span style="background-color:#0000ff;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Philip Tonda</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: i mean i think you believe in it. but also question it</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:58:06] </span></span><span style="background-color:#00ff00;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Luciano Pinna</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: yes Philip, that is my subject. Maybe that is because of my previous study which was Applied Physics.</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:59:00] </span></span><span style="background-color:#0000ff;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Philip Tonda</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: yes that makes sense</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[20:59:02] Luciano Pinna says: And this research approach is still in me to some extend. I have the tendency to create obscure scientific experiments for understanding and truth.</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[21:00:30] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: i see. but i feel research is a part of an artists work, and i see a HUGE parallel between science and art.</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[21:01:07] </span></span><span style="background-color:#0000ff;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Philip Tonda</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: research yes. But the outcome of a scientific research is different than an artistic research</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[21:01:08] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: this idea of hypothesis &#8211; just to be extremely elementary. Yes, but re=&#8221;but &#8220;&gt;there is the questioning. the curiosity. As well as the reflection and re constructing of the question</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[21:02:17] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: listening to the results.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[21:03:53] </span></span><span style="background-color:#00ff00;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Luciano Pinna</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: I try to apply a kind of questionable scientific approach to constructing a work that questions itself.</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[21:04:34] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: i mean you have a question.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[21:04:48] </span></span><span style="background-color:#00ff00;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Luciano Pinna </span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">says: And in this I need the visitor/passer-by/participants/actor</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[21:04:52] </span></span><span style="background-color:#0000ff;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Philip Tonda</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: So you find it important to question the work itself? In every work or only in this one?</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[21:06:02] </span></span><span style="background-color:#00ff00;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Luciano Pinna</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: For me the recurring aspect of a work investing itself is important. </span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">It might not always be visible in the end work, but I am conscious of this aspect when making it</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[21:07:22] </span></span><span style="background-color:#0000ff;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Philip Tonda</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: I had a personal question; to see how the artists would deal with a subject that i felt related to. And for me it was also very important to make an exhibition which were held together by something else than a political theme. You see a lot in Holland, and i was tired of this &#8211; </span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">the political context. I was more interested in each work having it&#8217;s own agency. Also to see weather the works would interact with each other. which seemed to work</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[21:14:50] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: so i was just reading more of the publication. You mention capturing this moment and then distroying it &#8211; this moment when a work becomes &#8216;a work&#8217;</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[21:15:32] </span></span><span style="background-color:#00ff00;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Luciano Pinna</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: yes. that is what fascinates me, almost physical. As if one could use some microscope and reveal the inner workings of it.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[21:16:31] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: that moment.</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[21:17:28] </span></span><span style="background-color:#00ff00;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Luciano Pinna</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: yes. in a way, it is a similar moment as the conscious now moment. It is this intangible quality that fascinates me &#8211; where does it reveal itself? Is it miraculously attached to the surface of a work or is it contained within its structure?</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[21:23:44] </span></span><span style="background-color:#0000ff;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Philip Tonda</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: You speak about when a work becomes a work, Luciano?</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[21:24:17] </span></span><span style="background-color:#00ff00;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Luciano Pinna </span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">says: yes. But also where my fascination comes from, or what I try to aim for.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[21:24:34] </span></span><span style="background-color:#0000ff;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Philip Tonda</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: What do you think then? For me a work contains the background of it. For the same reason it does not interest me to see paintings hanging in a living room.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[21:24:38] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: it seems so ephemeral &#8211; how does it relate to the body?</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[21:25:17] </span></span><span style="background-color:#00ff00;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Luciano Pinna</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: I know, it sounds for me academic than I hope the work will be in the end. I know, it sounds far more academic than I hope the end result is. It is a starting point for creation, but the end result should not be an illustration of my fascination.</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[21:26:50] </span></span><span style="background-color:#ff00ff;color:#800080;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">amber lauletta</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: Right, this is the inner workings.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[21:27:17] </span></span><span style="background-color:#0000ff;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Philip Tonda</span></span><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"> says: i think your work for this exhibition is very much relating to the body in the theme as in the physical presence &#8211; or absence of presence- in a direct and non academic way as well, luckily</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">[21:27:46]  <span style="font-size:medium;"> Luciano Pinna</span><span style="font-size:medium;"> says:</span> thanks, I was hoping it would.</span></span></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#160; While preparing for the Neighborhood Watch Project: Projection Walk, Philip Tonda was also preparing to curate a show in Amsterdam - A Body Presented To Me And You &#8211; at the Souterrain Amsterdam &#8211; center for contemporary art. Sept. 13. 2009 &#8211; Nov.o1.09 His current curiosity is the body and its relationship to the tactile world, as [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=e1015.wordpress.com&amp;blog=9858403&amp;post=50&amp;subd=e1015&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>While preparing for the <a href="http://strangersouvenez.wordpress.com/2009/08/26/project-neighborhood-watch/">Neighborhood Watch Project: Projection Walk</a>, <a href="www.philiptonda.com" target="_blank">Philip Tonda</a> was also preparing to curate a show in Amsterdam - <a href="http://www.souterrainamsterdam.nl/expo.html" target="_blank">A Body Presented To Me And You</a> &#8211; at the Souterrain Amsterdam &#8211; center for contemporary art.</p>
<p><strong>Sept. 13. 2009 &#8211; Nov.o1.09</strong></p>
<p>His current curiosity is the body and its relationship to the tactile world, as well as a <em>body</em> of work that brings the artist out of his head, and the ephemeral aspects of experiencing the body. For his contribution to Nhw project, <a href="http://strangersouvenez.wordpress.com/2009/09/09/nhw/" target="_blank">Nightsculpture Reinterpreted</a>, he invited dancer Taylor McLaughlin to interpret one of his earlier works <em>Nightsculpture</em>, 2007 <em>.</em> The piece was an investigation for Philip which occurred in real time at the night of the event as he and the Taylor worked through the concept behind closed glass gallery doors. The continued during the course of the night to reinvent the performance. The experience was engaging to the public as many gathered to watch the performance and Philip engaged the viewers to speak more about it.</p>
<p>A Body Presented to Me and You carries that same themes but for this exhibit he has invited 5 artists to create their own pieces -Augusta Atla (DK/UK), Saskia de Brauw (NL), Johanna Domke (DE/DK), Silvan Laan (NL), Luciano Pinna (NL).</p>
<p>The process and dialogue leading up to the exhibit is documented in curious conversational form in the exhibits catalogue.</p>
<p>Text by Amber Lauletta</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[For its coming-out onto the Parisian art scene, the young, dynamic collective Transit Système chose the mellow setting of the Parloterie wine bar, inviting friends, collaborators and enthusiasts to get to know its works, its members, and their vision and mission for raw instinctive artistic production. First and foremost a group of artists – painters, illustrators, [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=e1015.wordpress.com&amp;blog=9858403&amp;post=36&amp;subd=e1015&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>For its coming-out onto the Parisian art scene, the young, dynamic collective Transit Système chose the mellow setting of the Parloterie wine bar, inviting friends, collaborators and enthusiasts to get to know its works, its members, and their vision and mission for raw instinctive artistic production.</p>
<p>First and foremost a group of artists – painters, illustrators, photographers, graphic designers – and creative producers committed to aesthetic creation, Transit Système is also a collective dedicated to the development of alternative, fresh and innovative means of promoting and distributing art today. The collective wants to free Art from the constraints of the establishment in which it is so often represented. Theraw instinctive artistic production on show at the Parloterie is not limited to the artistic works on display, but involves the entire event itself – we the spectators are invited to go on an intimate journey with the collective, to reflect and dialogue with them. We are encouraged to participate, short and long term, with Transit Système, firstly as spectators by getting a paint tattoo of the group’s name – a fun instrument, incidentally, of promotion – and then, for the artists among us, as future collaborators with the collective; collaborations that Transit Système is eager to explore and embrace.</p>
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<p style="text-align:left;">The choice of venue is an interesting one. Art openings in general, and in Paris in particular, are usually confined to more formal and traditional places. The Parloterie, conversely, is an easy and warm space. Its red walls and cozy lighting create an intimate cocoon in which the collective can make its debut onto the art scene. And indeed, the nest-like feel of the space is symbolic for the members of Transit Système. As much as a coming out, this is also a coming of age for many of them, a statement to the world that they are Artists, a rite of passage for them to completely embark onto this path, both individually and as a group. The event at the Parloterie clearly illustrates the synergy of the group. Despite different mediums, diverse subject matters and forms, the artworks fuse together successfully into a seemingly casual yet unified collage that merges into the space.</p>
<p style="text-align:left;">Walking into the Parloterie, we can sense above all that this opening is the culmination of the creation of Transit Système – the proof that the accord that its members felt was so evident between their styles and energies could become something dynamic and effervescent. And it is this effervescence, this vibrant energy to create and share art that we can take away with us.</p>
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<p>Transit Système: Liz Bullen, Antoine Alliot, Aude Mc Gill, Molly SJ Lowe, Sophie Boniface, Marine Nyiri et Emilie Prud&#8217;homme</p>
<p>Molly SJ Lowe’s works are also currently being exhibited at the 1er Salon des A.J.T. (Artistes Jeunes Talents) at the ESPACE DIALOGOS in Cachan (Val de Marne).</p>
<p>Marine Nyiri won the <a href="http://photo.sfrjeunestalents.fr/evenements/prix-concours-paris-photo-2009-sfr-jeunes-talents-laureats">SFR Jeunes Talents contest</a> and her works will be exhibited at <em>Paris Photo</em></p>
<p>text by Elisabeth Lastschenko</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[ARTISTS CALL RESIDUE 2009 We still have a few spaces available for the following project. If you are interested, please reply as soon as possible. A three week exposition as workshop curated by Amber Lauletta in collaboration with Philip Tonda at TPTProject space in Paris Montmartre to begin 14 November. We are Looking for multi-disciplinary [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=e1015.wordpress.com&amp;blog=9858403&amp;post=24&amp;subd=e1015&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="color:#000000;font-family:'Arial Black';"><span style="font-size:medium;">We still have a few spaces available for the following project. If you are interested, please reply as soon as possible. </span></span><span style="color:#000000;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:x-small;"><br />
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A three week exposition as workshop curated by Amber Lauletta in collaboration with Philip Tonda at TPTProject space in Paris Montmartre to begin </span></span><span style="color:#000000;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><strong><span style="font-size:medium;">14 November</span></strong></span><span style="color:#000000;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">.</span></span><span style="color:#000000;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"><br />
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We are Looking for multi-disciplinary artists who in their art practice find reflection as important as creation, and who are interested in exploring the relation between ideas and practice.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="color:#000000;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><em><span style="font-size:medium;"><br />
&#8220;Residue; a small amount of something that remains after the main part has gone&#8221;</span></em></span></p>
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The over arching theme, Residue, will be explored as a result of discussions lead by participants and guest lectures during the weekend workshops (Saturday and Sunday). The reflection and visual research that come out of this will be the traces that compose the exposition (Monday to Friday). The exposition will take a different shape each week as a result of the findings of each workshop.</span></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="color:#000000;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">With this project we are interested in exploring the process between theory and practice. How our intangible discussions and relationships can form something tangible and how to handle them once they take form as material.</span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0;"><span style="color:#000000;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">The project also wants to investigate the relationship between private and public. Once a week each participant will be responsible for choosing his own work to be exhibited and therefore decide his own limit between the private creation and the public viewing. </span></span><span style="color:#000000;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;"><br />
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</span></span><span style="color:#000000;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Topics of discussion will include </span></span><span style="color:#000000;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Ephemeral, Action, Experience/experiential, Ownership Independence, Selling, Funding, and Collectors.</span></span></p>
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Workshop fee of 75€ covers the1 month project which includes exposition, workshop, guest lectures and one weekly dinner.</span></span></p>
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</span></span><span style="color:#000000;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">To apply: Email Amber Lauletta with CV + works [photos or link] + small letter of interest to </span></span><span style="color:#000000;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><strong><span style="font-size:medium;">info.e1015@gmail.com</span></strong></span><span style="color:#000000;font-family:'Arial Narrow';"><span style="font-size:medium;">.</span></span></p>
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		<title>Los Enmascarados: Adrian Sierra with Valeria Cetraro at Artspace Galleries</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Artspace Galleries presents los enmascarados, an installation by Adrian Sierra with Valeria Cetraro. 12 October 2009 – 12 November 2009 Architect and multidisciplinary artist Adrian Sierra retains structural ? in his performance-based installations, photography, and film. Parallel to architecture, Sierra&#8217;s work ventures into vast territories of exploration using the body to reinterpret form and space. [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=e1015.wordpress.com&amp;blog=9858403&amp;post=3&amp;subd=e1015&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman';"><span style="font-size:small;"><em>Artspace Galleries presents los enmascarados, an installation by Adrian Sierra with Valeria Cetraro.</em></span></span><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman';"><span style="font-size:small;"><br />
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</span></span><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman';"><span style="font-size:small;">12 October 2009 – 12 November 2009</span></span></p>
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</span></span><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman';"><span style="font-size:small;">Architect and multidisciplinary artist Adrian Sierra retains structural ? in his performance-based installations, photography, and film. Parallel to architecture, Sierra&#8217;s work ventures into vast territories of exploration using the body to reinterpret form and space.</span></span><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman';"><span style="font-size:small;"><br />
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</span></span><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman';"><span style="font-size:small;">Sierra&#8217;s multidisciplinary approach is exemplified in F x D, a performance art project realized in LA in 2005.</span></span><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman';"><span style="font-size:small;"> </span></span><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman';"><span style="font-size:small;"> F x D, from the formula force x distance = work, is based on repetitive, simple geometric patterns developed from the artist&#8217;s preoccupation with architecture. The geometric system, becoming increasingly complex over time, is the plan for a performance and to a simple structural beginning is added costume, make-up, video, music, movement and direction to create a “hyper-active,” a multi-sensory experience. The spectacle interacts with the spectators, disrupting the original pattern and leading to a display, which becomes progressively disorganized and amorphous.</span></span><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman';"><span style="font-size:small;"><br />
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</span></span><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman';"><span style="font-size:small;">los enmascarados plays on architectural principles in a different way. It challenges the functionality of space – usually an architect&#8217;s main concern – by exploring the body&#8217;s interactions with its architectural surroundings. Like F x D, los enmascarados is a performance based on evolution. Working with two different performers (one female, one male) in two different locations (LA and Paris), Sierra sets up a performance space for his models. He works with them in a sort of free form choreography, taking inspiration from them and their reactions to the space. Rather than imposing particular poses or compositions, the photographs are the result of an organic evolution of the interaction between body, architecture and photographer. The mask too was a spontaneous development – a simple prop brought along by the performer, which gives the photos a new dimension. In contradiction to the up front nudity of the models the mask creates a screen between the subject and the spectator, creating a tension between intimacy and estrangement.</span></span><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman';"><span style="font-size:small;"><br />
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</span></span><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman';"><span style="font-size:small;">The installation of los enmascarados includes text by Valeria Cetraro, which plays on these contradictions. Also an architect, Cetraro has always nurtured her interest in visual arts and written expression. Her poetic interpretation of los enmascarados wants to articulate some of the ambiguous qualities in the photographs without ascribing a fixed reading. The photographs remain open to interpretation.</span></span><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman';"><span style="font-size:small;"><br />
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<p style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman';"><span style="font-size:small;">Text: Caroline Rossiter</span></span></p>
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